• new diet

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Sun Apr 4 23:44:38 2021
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    so i packed on some pounds during covid and became even fatter!

    out of nowhere, my blood pressure turned to shit. i was a walking timebomb. it was at seek medical help immediately levels. i was no longer invincible.

    so i stopped eating like cattle and went low carb.

    i dont want to call it keto, but i'm eating meat and green leafy vegetables and i'm not eating tons of carbohydrates. also drinking more water and i only have one soda a day. and i'm walking for an hour. i get cardio on the way back because it's up a very steep hill

    so after about 3 weeks i am 20lbs lighter. i usually drop 2 lbs a day.
    i've dropped weight before, but not by diet. i'm getting a little bit of loose skin which i dont like. hopefully when i begin weightlifting again that will clear up.

    i recommend everyone to stop eating like cattle. stop loading up with carbohydrates. you will feel better, you wont feel like you are starving when you arent, thinks will improve even if you arent fat.

    and a lot of the time i am eating a lot. i have a full plate of food and it's good. i'm not eating small portions. i saw my ex gf go through keto and she hated it. i have no problems with a keto like diet so far.

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    Re: new diet
    By: MRO to all on Sun Apr 04 2021 23:44:38


    so after about 3 weeks i am 20lbs lighter.

    GG! keep up the good work!

    a few years ago i was finally able to lose 50lbs i had been wanting to lose for a while... i switched to beans... originally a pinto bean pot (with onions and smoked pork neck bones when i could afford them)... i kept the pot
    rather plain, though, so i could add variety when i wanted... variety like adding hot sauce or horseradish to my bowl... or BBQ sauce... or most anything else to help liven and change the flavor so it wasn't SOS all the
    time...

    anyway, keep up the good work!


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    Re: new diet
    By: Rampage to MRO on Mon Apr 05 2021 05:27 am

    Re: new diet
    By: MRO to all on Sun Apr 04 2021 23:44:38


    so after about 3 weeks i am 20lbs lighter.

    GG! keep up the good work!

    a few years ago i was finally able to lose 50lbs i had been wanting to lose for a while... i switched to beans... originally a pinto bean pot (with onions and smoked pork neck bones when i could afford them)... i kept the pot
    rather plain, though, so i could add variety when i wanted... variety like adding hot sauce or horseradish to my bowl... or BBQ sauce... or most anything else to help liven and change the flavor so it wasn't SOS all the time...

    anyway, keep up the good work!

    it's certainly easier then when i dropped about 50lbs and most of my fat around 2011. took about 2.5 months and i walked 4-6 miles 5 times a week or more. i do think i need to start walking more to get flexable in my legs. i have arthritis and my legs barely bend.

    the walking is a lot easier. i like to walk around the miller valley in milwaukee. lots of cool things to see at that brewery.
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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to MRO on Mon Apr 5 15:14:00 2021
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    i recommend everyone to stop eating like cattle. stop loading up with carbohydra tes. you will feel better, you wont feel like you are
    starving when you arent, thinks will improve even if you arent fat.

    That's great, congratulations on your success!

    Some time in 2019, I decided I wanted to start working on my PPL, but I knew the challenge would be passing the FAA medical exam. I've been diabetic since 2007 and on insulin for about 5 years - which is an almost immediate disqualification. However, I knew several people who had put their diabetes reverse (i.e. remission) with weight loss surgery.

    No way I wanted surgery, but I did a Google search looking for a way to get
    the same benefits of weight loss surgery without the surgery. The rabbit hole that led me down quite literally changed my life.

    I discovered the work of Dr. Jason Fung, a nephrologist who works with diabetics with kidney. He has written a couple of books, runs a YouTube channel, and a weight loss support group called The Fasting Method. Through a combination of fasting and a low-carb/non-processed food diet, he is able to help people lose weight and reverse their diabetes, high blood pressure and obesity (together called metabolic syndrome).

    I bought two of his books: The Diabetes Code and Obesity Code and read them over a week. It not only explained why modern medicine fails to successfully treat these conditions, but gave specific things to do and see results fast.

    My wife and I started following Dr. Fung's plan just before Thanksgiving 2019 and by New Years I was off of all of my diabetes medications, including insulin, except for metformin. Plus, I'd lost almost 30 lbs. Throughout the pandemic, we have managed to keep it off and recently started adding in
    longer fasts (48-72 hours) to continue losing weight, albeit at a much slower pace than we initially we saw.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to MRO on Mon Apr 5 14:47:14 2021
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    Re: new diet
    By: MRO to all on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:44 pm

    so i packed on some pounds during covid and became even fatter!

    out of nowhere, my blood pressure turned to shit. i was a walking timebomb. it was at seek medical help immediately levels. i was no longer invincible.

    so i stopped eating like cattle and went low carb.

    i dont want to call it keto, but i'm eating meat and green leafy vegetables and i'm not eating tons of carbohydrates. also drinking more water and i only have one soda a day. and i'm walking for an hour. i get cardio on the way back because it's up a very steep hill

    so after about 3 weeks i am 20lbs lighter. i usually drop 2 lbs a day.
    i've dropped weight before, but not by diet. i'm getting a little bit of loose skin which i dont like. hopefully when i begin weightlifting again that will clear up.

    i recommend everyone to stop eating like cattle. stop loading up with carbohydrates. you will feel better, you wont feel like you are starving when you arent, thinks will improve even if you arent fat.

    and a lot of the time i am eating a lot. i have a full plate of food and it's good. i'm not eating small portions. i saw my ex gf go through keto and she hated it. i have no problems with a keto like diet so far.

    The hardest part of that for me is that I'm addicted to Arnold Palmer Sweet Tea Lemonade Half & Half.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to lynx769 on Mon Apr 5 17:28:00 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: lynx769 to MRO on Mon Apr 05 2021 03:14 pm

    i recommend everyone to stop eating like cattle. stop loading up with carbohydra tes. you will feel better, you wont feel like you are starving when you arent, thinks will improve even if you arent fat.

    That's great, congratulations on your success!


    well it's not a success unless you keep it off. weight is easy to lose.

    disqualification. However, I knew several people who had put their diabetes reverse (i.e. remission) with weight loss surgery.

    No way I wanted surgery, but I did a Google search looking for a way to get the same benefits of weight loss surgery without the surgery. The rabbit hole that led me down quite literally changed my life.


    that's good that you did it that way. weight loss surgery almost immediatly reverses diabetes but it's a drastic thing to do and many gain the weight back and have complications their entire life.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Apr 5 08:56:00 2021
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    Hello MRO!

    ** On Sunday 04.04.21 - 23:44, MRO wrote to all:

    so i packed on some pounds during covid and became even fatter!

    [snip]

    so i stopped eating like cattle and went low carb.

    [snippty snip]

    so after about 3 weeks i am 20lbs lighter. i usually drop 2
    lbs a day. i've dropped weight before, but not by diet. i'm
    getting a little bit of loose skin which i dont like.
    hopefully when i begin weightlifting again that will clear
    up.

    The initial (quick) loss is water.

    i recommend everyone to stop eating like cattle. stop
    loading up with carbohydrates. you will feel better, you
    wont feel like you are starving when you arent, thinks will
    improve even if you arent fat.

    I wrote about my journey here (or in a couple of echos) from
    nearly reaching 200lbs to now maintain at 175lbs, some time ago.
    A bunch of medical/health discomforts disappeared along the way.

    and a lot of the time i am eating a lot. i have a full plate
    of food and it's good. i'm not eating small portions. i saw
    my ex gf go through keto and she hated it. i have no
    problems with a keto like diet so far.

    I modified my keto approach to going primarily plant-based. The
    processed meats (nitrates) were proving to be a problem for me.

    A good series of books that could help explore variety..

    [1]

    The DIRTY, LAZY, KETO No Time to Cook Cookbook: 100 Easy Recipes
    Ready in under 30 Minutes | Paperback
    Stephanie Laska | William Laska
    DIRTY, LAZY, KETO (series)
    Adams Media | Adams Media
    Cooking / Health & Healing - Low Carbohydrate / Methods - Quick & Easy / Health & Healing - Weight Control
    Published Jan 5, 2021 | Sales (#25124)
    $19.99 US / $26.99 CA list price

    [2]

    The DIRTY, LAZY, KETO Dirt Cheap Cookbook: 100 Easy Recipes to
    Save Money & Time! | Paperback
    Stephanie Laska | William Laska
    DIRTY, LAZY, KETO (series)
    Adams Media | Adams Media
    Cooking / Health & Healing - Low Carbohydrate / Methods - Low Budget / Methods - Quick & Easy
    Published Sep 15, 2020 | Sales (#33771)
    $19.99 US / $26.99 CA list price

    [3]

    The DIRTY, LAZY, KETO 5-Ingredient Cookbook: 100 Easy-Peasy
    Recipes Low in Carbs, Big on Flavor | Paperback
    Stephanie Laska | William Laska
    DIRTY, LAZY, KETO (series)
    Adams Media | Adams Media
    Cooking / Health & Healing - Low Carbohydrate / Methods - Quick & Easy / Health & Healing - Weight Control
    Release date Jun 8, 2021 | Demand (#6985)
    $19.99 US / $26.99 CA list price


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vlk-451 on Mon Apr 5 21:30:00 2021
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    Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-

    i recommend everyone to stop eating like cattle. stop loading up with carbohydrates. you will feel better, you wont feel like you are starving when you arent, thinks will improve even if you arent fat.

    and a lot of the time i am eating a lot. i have a full plate of food and it's good. i'm not eating small portions. i saw my ex gf go through keto and she hated it. i have no problems with a keto like diet so far.

    The hardest part of that for me is that I'm addicted to Arnold
    Palmer Sweet Tea Lemonade Half & Half.

    Don't be silly.

    Do you wear skinny-jeans and Vans slip-ons?

    Time to man up.


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    Re: new diet
    By: Ogg to MRO on Mon Apr 05 2021 08:56 am


    The initial (quick) loss is water.


    not for me it wasnt. i was exercising and cutting carbs. what i lost was noticable.

    Cooking / Health & Healing - Low Carbohydrate / Methods - Quick & Easy / Health & Healing - Weight Control
    Release date Jun 8, 2021 | Demand (#6985)


    i dont want to do any of that stuff. i've seen so many people try and fail. i'm just going to do what works for me and this is going to be a life change.

    i'm going to be low carb all the time.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Apr 7 08:30:00 2021
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    Hello MRO!

    ** On Tuesday 06.04.21 - 16:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    The initial (quick) loss is water.

    not for me it wasnt. i was exercising and cutting carbs.
    what i lost was noticable.

    Ok. I'm not going into what I read and learned about it, but
    the bottom line is you decided to get serious and make a
    difference for yourself. That's great! People fail these new
    eating plans when they think a normal life consists of cookies,
    sugar, cereals, cakes and breads each and every day.

    Cooking / Health & Healing - Low Carbohydrate / Methods - Quick & Easy /
    Health & Healing - Weight Control
    Release date Jun 8, 2021 | Demand (#6985)

    i dont want to do any of that stuff. i've seen so many
    people try and fail. i'm just going to do what works for me
    and this is going to be a life change.

    I don't really follow any cookbook either. But they do provide
    some interesting food combos and prep that I may never have
    thought of.

    i'm going to be low carb all the time.

    That is the key, for sure.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vlk-451 on Tue Apr 6 06:54:00 2021
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    Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-

    The hardest part of that for me is that I'm addicted to Arnold Palmer Sweet Tea Lemonade Half & Half.

    Drink water for 21 days. It's true what they say, it takes 21 days to break
    a habit.


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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to Ogg on Wed Apr 7 09:52:00 2021
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    i'm going to be low carb all the time.

    That is the key, for sure.

    Low carb works because it lowers insulin levels. Insulin is the primary
    hormone which controls whether you are burning fat or storing it. Hormones, like any other drug, when used constantly require higher levels to achieve
    the same effect - aka insulin resistance aka type 2 diabetes. Lowering
    insulin reverses resistance, not injecting yourself with more insulin.

    The problem is that a consistent low-carb diet is difficult to sustain for
    long periods of time for most people and when you return to "normal" eating, you gain it all back.

    What you eat is only half of the equation. WHEN you eat is also important for achieving low insulin levels. If you never go for any period of time where you enter a fasting state, insulin levels never drop to the point where you burn fat. Limiting all food intake to a specific period time of day, with no snacking, allows you to achieve a period of fasting each day. Longer fasts, with only non-caloric beverages (water, black coffee, tea), multiply the
    effect and has the added benefit of resetting your body's weight "set point" that it tries to maintain after a period of calorie restriction. This makes
    the weight loss permanent.

    We've been socially conditioned to eat three (or more) meals per day and to have plenty of snacks in between by the food industry. Breakfast wasn't a
    thing until fairly recently. It's no wonder there is an epidemic of
    obesity and diabetes.

    Being hungry all of the time sounds awful, right? When fasting, hunger does
    not continuously increase, it comes in waves. You can easily distract yourself by doing something productive. You can gradually go longer and longer without feeling hungry at all.

    Our grocery bill is next to nothing and we have found several new hobbies to
    do with all of the time we save not preparing, eating, and cleaning up after meals. Meals are now a special occasion which we reserve for socializing with friends and family.

    Lachlan

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 8 00:09:58 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vlk-451 on Tue Apr 06 2021 06:54 am

    Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-

    The hardest part of that for me is that I'm addicted to Arnold Palmer Sweet Tea Lemonade Half & Half.

    Drink water for 21 days. It's true what they say, it takes 21 days to break a habit.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to lynx769 on Thu Apr 8 00:13:52 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: lynx769 to Ogg on Wed Apr 07 2021 09:52 am

    have plenty of snacks in between by the food industry. Breakfast wasn't a thing until fairly recently. It's no wonder there is an epidemic of
    obesity and diabetes.

    why do you say that? internet sez 17th century.

    people probably ate when they are hungry which is probably shortly after waking up so they can do work. so you could call that breakfast.

    i eat about every 5.5 hrs.
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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to MRO on Thu Apr 8 06:06:00 2021
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    why do you say that? internet sez 17th century.

    I guess I should have said it wasn't a regular thing until recently with "recently" being relative to how long human civilization has existed. Yes, breakfast existed because it is the meal with which you break your fast. However, it probably wasn't usually eaten in the morning until the industrial revolution when workers of all social classes began having regular work
    hours.

    In the 20th century, beginning with Corn Flakes, the cereal industry began marketing breakfast as "the most important meal of the day" to working moms
    who needed to feed their kids before sending them off to school. Then Edward Bernays, public relations for the Beech-Nut packing company, got a doctor to sign a statement about the importance of a heavy, protein-rich breakfast and sent it to 5,000 doctors. He was, of course, pushing bacon. Now breakfast was not just the most important meal of the day, but medically recommended.

    Here's some additional reading on the science behind fasting, if you are interested - https://fastingwell.com/fasting-best-way-to-lose-weight. I'm always inspired by the progress pictures that people post at https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting

    Lachlan

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Thu Apr 8 08:29:00 2021
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    MRO wrote to lynx769 <=-

    people probably ate when they are hungry which is probably shortly
    after waking up so they can do work. so you could call that breakfast.

    I've noticed that there's a good number of people who simply aren't hungry
    at that time. Going by what my wife does, it's probably because they
    eat later in the day so they can get through the night without any
    calorie problem.

    I always have a breakfast, but then I don't eat after 5pm. So I have a good
    14 hour fast before getting to eat again.

    I've also taken advantage of the scamdemic to adjust my eating habits. I've gotten out of the 3-meal-per-day and moved to just 2 plus a snack, if needed.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to lynx769 on Thu Apr 8 11:34:11 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: lynx769 to MRO on Thu Apr 08 2021 06:06 am

    why do you say that? internet sez 17th century.

    I guess I should have said it wasn't a regular thing until recently with "recently" being relative to how long human civilization has existed. Yes, breakfast existed because it is the meal with which you break your fast. However, it probably wasn't usually eaten in the morning until the industrial revolution when workers of all social classes began having regular work

    i'm sure most people ate shortly after they woke up. they were hungry.

    In the 20th century, beginning with Corn Flakes, the cereal industry began marketing breakfast as "the most important meal of the day" to working moms who needed to feed their kids before sending them off to school. Then Edward

    wrong. it was to stop us from jacking off. and it didnt work!
    https://www.reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting

    no thanks, reddit is for fags
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thu Apr 8 11:36:32 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Thu Apr 08 2021 08:29 am

    MRO wrote to lynx769 <=-

    people probably ate when they are hungry which is probably shortly after waking up so they can do work. so you could call that breakfast.

    I've noticed that there's a good number of people who simply aren't hungry at that time. Going by what my wife does, it's probably because they
    eat later in the day so they can get through the night without any

    i feel nauseous when i first get up, but once i start moving around i get hungry. if people are active i'm sure they're the same way.

    I always have a breakfast, but then I don't eat after 5pm. So I have a good 14 hour fast before getting to eat again.

    yeah it's good to not eat that late. i just eat every 5 hrs or so.
    i dont like to go to bed on an empty stomach.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to lynx769 on Thu Apr 8 07:22:00 2021
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    lynx769 wrote to Ogg <=-

    Low carb works because it lowers insulin levels. Insulin is the primary hormone which controls whether you are burning fat or storing it. Hormones, like any other drug, when used constantly require higher
    levels to achieve the same effect - aka insulin resistance aka type 2 diabetes. Lowering insulin reverses resistance, not injecting yourself with more insulin.

    I would add a couple of other benefits - ketones, created as a byproduct of
    a low-carb diet, lower your appetite. And, lowering the blood sugar swings
    by limiting processed carbs and sugars helps with the mood swings and cravings/urges that throw you off other diets. At least that's the case for me.

    When I'm eating low-carb I find it easier to avoid cravings and eating when it's time to eat versus eating when I'm hungry. Food has become very
    habitual to me and I'm conscious of why I want to eat now.

    The problem is that a consistent low-carb diet is difficult to sustain
    for long periods of time for most people and when you return to
    "normal" eating, you gain it all back.

    I definitely gain back some water weight, but a net loss remains.


    We've been socially conditioned to eat three (or more) meals per day
    and to have plenty of snacks in between by the food industry. Breakfast wasn't a thing until fairly recently. It's no wonder there is an
    epidemic of obesity and diabetes.

    I don't think it's so much the number of meals, but the content. When you start counting carbs you become keenly aware of how much sugar is in
    processed foods. All those calories have to go somewhere...

    Our grocery bill is next to nothing and we have found several new
    hobbies to do with all of the time we save not preparing, eating, and cleaning up after meals. Meals are now a special occasion which we
    reserve for socializing with friends and family.

    That's an interesting aspect I hadn't thought of. I'm cooking for my wife, who's vegetarian, a picky 11-year old and a lactose-intolerant 17-year old.
    I spend a lot of time and energy making meals around here. :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Apr 8 16:48:00 2021
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    i'm sure most people ate shortly after they woke up. they were hungry.

    That is the reason I eat breakfast, not because I was told to. If I don't
    eat breakfast, I can never get started for the day and also get really
    grumpy.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Thu Apr 8 21:40:00 2021
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    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    i feel nauseous when i first get up, but once i start moving
    around i get hungry. if people are active i'm sure they're the
    same way.

    Maybe you're pregnant.

    I don't know *ANYBODY* who is nauseous when they first get up.

    I always have a breakfast, but then I don't eat after 5pm. So I have a good 14 hour fast before getting to eat again.

    yeah it's good to not eat that late. i just eat every 5 hrs or
    so. i dont like to go to bed on an empty stomach.

    Maybe that's why you're fat.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 9 03:20:25 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Apr 08 2021 04:48 pm

    i'm sure most people ate shortly after they woke up. they were hungry.

    That is the reason I eat breakfast, not because I was told to. If I don't eat breakfast, I can never get started for the day and also get really grumpy.

    i think we should all go back to eating when we are hungry and drinking when we are thirsty.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Fri Apr 9 08:07:00 2021
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    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    i feel nauseous when i first get up, but once i start moving around i
    get hungry. if people are active i'm sure they're the same way.

    Again, it depends on the person. Night owls probably aren't hungry in the morning. But that's partly due to the way they are, and partly due to habits. I've always been a morning person, so breakfast was always something that
    I did.

    yeah it's good to not eat that late. i just eat every 5 hrs or so.
    i dont like to go to bed on an empty stomach.

    That was my wife's excuse for having some ice cream before we went to sleep.
    8)


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Fri Apr 9 08:37:00 2021
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    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    i think we should all go back to eating when we are hungry and drinking when we are thirsty. ---

    That would be nice, but I think that sensor is broken in many people.


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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to MRO on Fri Apr 9 10:16:00 2021
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    wrong. it was to stop us from jacking off. and it didnt work!
    no thanks, reddit is for fags

    What a thought-provoking response. You've clearly done your research.

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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 9 10:31:00 2021
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    I would add a couple of other benefits - ketones, created as a byproduct o a low-carb diet, lower your appetite. And, lowering the blood sugar swings by limiting processed carbs and sugars helps with the mood swings and cravings/urges that throw you off other diets. At least that's the case fo me.

    When I'm eating low-carb I find it easier to avoid cravings and eating whe it's time to eat versus eating when I'm hungry. Food has become very habitual to me and I'm conscious of why I want to eat now.

    Absolutely agree. Low carb and fasting produce the same result - a ketogenic state, lower appetite, and lower insulin. The problem with only a low-carb
    diet is that it can be very difficult to maintain to the degree required to stay in ketosis. Most people vastly underestimate how many carbs they are actually consuming.

    I think of fasting as a way to multiply the effect and allow me to get back into ketosis quickly. Want to have a carb-heavy meal? Ok, fasting burns it all up gets me back into ketosis quickly.

    At this point in my journey, I'm eating OMAD (one meal a day) with a weekly 48-72 fast in the middle of the week. The hunger is manageable and the
    benefits can't be overstated - on my health, on my mood, and on my
    relationship with food.

    It may not be for everyone, but it's what worked for me.

    Lachlan

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to lynx769 on Fri Apr 9 09:57:04 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: lynx769 to MRO on Fri Apr 09 2021 10:16 am

    wrong. it was to stop us from jacking off. and it didnt work!
    no thanks, reddit is for fags

    What a thought-provoking response. You've clearly done your research.

    yeah i have. and i'm correct. also i've checked out reddit. tons of fags.

    i bet you wish you could downvote this.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri Apr 9 08:29:52 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: MRO to lynx769 on Fri Apr 09 2021 09:57 am

    yeah i have. and i'm correct. also i've checked out reddit. tons of fags.

    i bet you wish you could downvote this.

    Synchronet allows upvoting & downvoting..

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Fri Apr 9 08:30:00 2021
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    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    i think we should all go back to eating when we are hungry and drinking when we are thirsty.

    Just not in meetings. If you can't go 50 minutes without suckling on your water bottle, something is wrong. :)


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to lynx769 on Fri Apr 9 22:03:00 2021
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    Hello lynx769!

    ** On Monday 05.04.21 - 15:14, lynx769 wrote to MRO:

    I discovered the work of Dr. Jason Fung, a nephrologist who
    works with diabetics with kidney. He has written a couple of
    books, runs a YouTube channel, and a weight loss support
    group called The Fasting Method.

    I may have to look into the material by Fung. I carry several of
    his titles at my shop. A few people have asked for " The
    Complete Guide to Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting | Paperback" from 2016.


    I bought two of his books: The Diabetes Code and Obesity Code..

    My wife and I started following Dr. Fung's plan just before
    Thanksgiving 2019 and by New Years I was off of all of my
    diabetes medications, including insulin, except for
    metformin. Plus, I'd lost almost 30 lbs.

    That's amazing. It took me a bit over a year to drop 25 lbs. But
    I started with a keto-type approach and self-modified it to an
    almost all plant-based plan.

    Throughout the pandemic, we have managed to keep it off and
    recently started adding in longer fasts (48-72 hours) to
    continue losing weight, albeit at a much slower pace than we
    initially we saw.

    I'm pretty sure that I've gained some back because it is still
    too easy to overeat. The key is not injest more cals than the
    body needs to sustain the weight that you want. Fasting would
    go a long way. Will have to take a look at what Dr Fung has to
    say.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to lynx769 on Tue Apr 13 08:53:23 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: lynx769 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 09 2021 10:31 am

    When I'm eating low-carb I find it easier to avoid cravings and
    eating whe it's time to eat versus eating when I'm hungry. Food has
    become very habitual to me and I'm conscious of why I want to eat
    now.

    Absolutely agree. Low carb and fasting produce the same result - a ketogenic state, lower appetite, and lower insulin. The problem with only a low-carb diet is that it can be very difficult to maintain to the degree required to stay in ketosis. Most people vastly underestimate how many carbs they are actually consuming.

    The problem is, Keto just isn't sustainable. You can't "cheat" with keto can take a good 7-14 days to reset your system to fall back into ketosis.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Tue Apr 13 08:57:17 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: MRO to lynx769 on Fri Apr 09 2021 09:57 am

    wrong. it was to stop us from jacking off. and it didnt work!
    no thanks, reddit is for fags

    What a thought-provoking response. You've clearly done your research.

    yeah i have. and i'm correct. also i've checked out reddit. tons of fags.

    Using words like that is no longer "edgy" or "cool" it just makes you look pathetic. Even 4chan has given up on the ironic racism/homophobia/sexism stuff.

    i bet you wish you could downvote this.

    I do, and I did. I'm glad you'll never read this response.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 13 09:02:28 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Fri Apr 09 2021 08:30 am

    i think we should all go back to eating when we are hungry and
    drinking when we are thirsty.

    Just not in meetings. If you can't go 50 minutes without suckling on your water bottle, something is wrong. :)

    People with airpods who drink during meetings without muting their mics are awful. the action of swallowing is loud as fuck.

    Misophonia is a thing. I've snapped at people on meetings when I can hear them chewing or drinking.

    DaiTengu

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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to DaiTengu on Wed Apr 14 10:48:00 2021
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    The problem is, Keto just isn't sustainable. You can't "cheat" with keto ke a good 7-14 days to reset your system to fall back into ketosis.

    Right, that's kind of what I was saying. However, if you take keto/low-carb
    and add fasting, you get a multiplier effect. With a water fast, most people are in ketosis after 16-24 hours. It depends on how insulin resistant you
    are, but the good news is regular fasting reduces insulin resistance.

    Lachlan

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to DaiTengu on Wed Apr 14 07:01:00 2021
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    DaiTengu wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Misophonia is a thing. I've snapped at people on meetings when I can
    hear them chewing or drinking.

    Yeah, preaching to the choir. I'm trying to improve my kids' table manners, and drinking is the current issue. Inhaling through your nose when drinking into the glass and making slurping noises is driving me crazy, especially
    when the oldest one is getting ready for college.

    I've made it clear to my son that whatever passes for manners with his
    friends isn't going to fly when he's out with college professors,
    prospective dates, internships, and so on. The people with all of the power and influence have phone manners, leave voice mail messages, have a
    voicemail greeting, hold open doors, and behave differently than he's used
    to.

    I hope it's sinking in.


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to lynx769 on Mon Apr 19 17:05:58 2021
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    Re: Re: new diet
    By: lynx769 to DaiTengu on Wed Apr 14 2021 10:48 am

    Right, that's kind of what I was saying. However, if you take keto/low-carb and add fasting, you get a multiplier effect. With a water fast, most people are in ketosis after 16-24 hours. It depends on how insulin resistant you are, but the good news is regular fasting reduces insulin resistance.

    Regular fasting also reduces your metabolic rate, so your body burns fewer calories at rest than it does normally.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to DaiTengu on Mon Apr 19 18:08:05 2021
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    On 4/13/2021 6:53 AM, DaiTengu wrote:

    The problem is, Keto just isn't sustainable. You can't> "cheat" with
    keto can take a good 7-14 days to reset your system to fall back
    into ketosis.

    Depends on how you define sustainable... if you're fat and diabetic, the standard American diet isn't exactly sustainable either.

    Also, for someone who is otherwise heathly, after the initial 4-6 weeks,
    most people can jump right back in after a cheat meal and be back in a relatively short time. Most healthy people are in ketosis after about
    12-14 hours, but most also aren't used to dietary ketosis, so it's
    harder the first bit. A lot of the symptoms are more carb/sugar
    withdrawal symptoms.
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  • From lynx769@VERT/BTTMLSS to DaiTengu on Tue Apr 20 10:36:00 2021
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    Regular fasting also reduces your metabolic rate, so your body burns fewe ries at rest than it does normally.

    Compared to calorie restricted diets, the drop is not statistically significant. https://tinyurl.com/9cvz6zw

    Lachlan

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