• Re: Gaia Online

    From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 1 12:37:34 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vlk-451 on Fri Mar 12 2021 06:25 am

    Vlk-451 wrote to All <=-

    Nothing more makes me write off a user's credibility in troubleshooting computer problems revolving Windows or Apple computers by saying the two most obnoxious things possible; "Try Linux!".

    Don't you mean "GNU/Linux"? After all, it's the ecosystem of GNU utilities that make the Linux kernel into a usable system. Incorrectly calling GNU/Linux anything else is as bad as running non-free software...

    :)

    I like free software and the GNU/Linux vs Linux dileniation, but not every linux kernal system uses GNU utilities I think? Aren't a lot of the core system functions based on UNIX like system? There's more to that quote that I'm forgetting.

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  • From Vlk-451@VERT/INREALM to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 1 12:42:32 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Mar 12 2021 06:27 am

    Nightfox wrote to Vlk-451 <=-

    I'd think the same thing could be said of Windows though? Since so many people use Windows, you could say Windows has to sort of be a jack of all trades.

    I tell 'em that OS/2 does everything better. To quote my old caller, Sam Uzi:

    n..- Area: nirvana.tech.flame ---------------------------------------------------
    Msg#: 95 Sent Date: 20 Jul 94 12:31:00
    From: SAM UZI Read: Yes Replied: No
    To: JOHN SMITH Mark:
    Subj: OS from heaven ----------------------------------------------------- -------------------------

    sure, whatever... but OS/2 is THE BEST Operating System in the world, and can run circles around anything else, and it looks nicer, and will cook
    your breakfast for you, and make your coffee, and has 3D-bordered
    icons, and is nifty, and looks cool, and is True-Blue, and can run DOS better than DOS, and will take out the garbage, and will get you chicks,
    and has got a 438 Hemi duo-blaster twin quad super injection turbo
    ramjet ultra thingy that makes it go real fast, and it can juggle, and
    it knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake, and
    it will end world hunger, and it has fine Corinthian leather, and it
    never makes you say you're sorry, and it always uses a condom, and it
    likes the kinds of pizza and ice cream that you like, and it plays
    bitchin' guitar, and it manages files like there's no tomorrow, and its object-oriented multi-media neural-net shipping next quarter, and it is bullit-proof like 20 layers of #4 Kevlar body armor, and it is so multi-threaded that it weaves a heavy wool blanket while its idleing,
    and my momma told me when I was just a lad that it was the best, and it
    has a heavy manual, and it uses less characters in its name than other
    OS's, and its recomended by four out of five dentists, and it can kick Superman's ass, and it's meaner than the junkyard dog, and its the
    choice of the next generation, and it will let you so many things at the same time that your head will spin, and it can dance, and ... oh never mind... it sucks...

    God damn. 1994. I wouldn't have been born for another year and 3-4 months.

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  • From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/CAPCITY to VLK-451 on Fri Apr 2 11:54:00 2021
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    God damn. 1994. I wouldn't have been born for another year and 3-4 months. [V-=>PF]

    This BBS was 6 years old in 1994. :)

    Mike

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MIKE POWELL on Fri Apr 2 20:50:32 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: MIKE POWELL to VLK-451 on Fri Apr 02 2021 11:54 am

    God damn. 1994. I wouldn't have been born for another year and 3-4 months. [V-=>PF]

    This BBS was 6 years old in 1994. :)

    I originally started my first BBS in May 1994. :)

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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to MIKE POWELL on Sat Apr 3 16:21:41 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: MIKE POWELL to VLK-451 on Fri Apr 02 2021 11:54 am

    God damn. 1994. I wouldn't have been born for another year and 3-4 months. [V-=>PF]

    This BBS was 6 years old in 1994. :)

    Mike

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vlk-451 on Fri Apr 2 07:14:00 2021
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    Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Don't you mean "GNU/Linux"? After all, it's the ecosystem of GNU utilities that make the Linux kernel into a usable system. Incorrectly calling GNU/Linux anything else is as bad as running non-free software...

    :)

    I like free software and the GNU/Linux vs Linux dileniation, but not
    every linux kernal system uses GNU utilities I think? Aren't a lot of
    the core system functions based on UNIX like system? There's more to
    that quote that I'm forgetting.

    That's just Richard Stallman being himself. Not a quote, but any interviews I've heard with him, mentioning Linux and/or Open Source would earn you a lecture in the semantics of Free Software.

    Ironically, in one of the interviews of him, he referred repeatedly to "Digital Restrictions Management". I would have liked to correct him patronizingly on mic.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Zouf on Sat Apr 3 12:37:00 2021
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    Zouf wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Joe Normie has no knowledge of the internet existing pre-WWW. I think
    the internet properly entered the public consciousness around 1996-97. Obviously people were aware the WWW existed prior to that due to the
    free AOL floppy disks and CDs that were handed out like candy, but
    anyone online before then would be somewhat of a pioneer.

    The AOL disks got you onto their service initially, a "walled garden" of
    their content. It wasn't until later that AOL became an ISP first and a content provider second.

    AOL, Compuserve, the Source and Prodigy all gained users by hosting content you couldn't get elsewhere.



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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 4 23:49:56 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Zouf on Sat Apr 03 2021 12:37 pm

    Zouf wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Joe Normie has no knowledge of the internet existing pre-WWW. I think the internet properly entered the public consciousness around 1996-97. Obviously people were aware the WWW existed prior to that due to the free AOL floppy disks and CDs that were handed out like candy, but anyone online before then would be somewhat of a pioneer.

    The AOL disks got you onto their service initially, a "walled garden" of their content. It wasn't until later that AOL became an ISP first and a content provider second.

    AOL, Compuserve, the Source and Prodigy all gained users by hosting content you couldn't get elsewhere.



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    That's super interesting! I always thought they were just an ISP who packaged their disks with Netscape Navigator (?) and had no idea they were also providing users with walled off content.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Zouf on Sun Apr 4 23:38:01 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: Zouf to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:49 pm

    That's super interesting! I always thought they were just an ISP who packaged their disks with Netscape Navigator (?) and had no idea they were also providing users with walled off content.

    aol was like a bbs. they even had dos clients for a while.

    FIRST they had their own walled off content, then they allowed you to use the mosiac browser to access the internet.
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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Mon Apr 5 11:23:36 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: MRO to Zouf on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:38 pm

    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: Zouf to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:49 pm

    That's super interesting! I always thought they were just an ISP who packaged their disks with Netscape Navigator (?) and had no idea they wer also providing users with walled off content.

    aol was like a bbs. they even had dos clients for a while.

    FIRST they had their own walled off content, then they allowed you to use th


    Ah, yes... Mosaic. It was on the tip of my tongue but I just couldn't remember.

    I had no idea they had a DOS client either. I Googled it just there after seeing you mention it and saw an image of AOL for DOS version 1.6 on a 5 1/2" floppy. One guy on Reddit said he used it on his clunky 286 IBM PS/2 for access to e-mail, encyclopedias and chat.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Zouf on Tue Apr 6 06:52:00 2021
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    Zouf wrote to MRO <=-


    I had no idea they had a DOS client either. I Googled it just there
    after seeing you mention it and saw an image of AOL for DOS version 1.6
    on a 5 1/2" floppy. One guy on Reddit said he used it on his clunky 286 IBM PS/2 for access to e-mail, encyclopedias and chat.

    Before that, Qlink, the early version of AOL ran on a Commodore 64!


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  • From Zouf@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 8 01:57:07 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Zouf on Tue Apr 06 2021 06:52 am

    Before that, Qlink, the early version of AOL ran on a Commodore 64!

    That's really neat. I wasn't aware at all of an online service for the C64/128/

    Seems like the even offered services for multiplayer games such as chess, backgammon and checkers.

    It appears that hobbyists have ressurected the service calling it Quantum Link Reloaded which can be accessed via an authentic Commodore using a WiFi serial connection.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Zouf on Thu Apr 8 00:16:38 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: Zouf to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 08 2021 01:57 am

    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Zouf on Tue Apr 06 2021 06:52 am

    Before that, Qlink, the early version of AOL ran on a Commodore 64!

    That's really neat. I wasn't aware at all of an online service for the C64/128/

    Seems like the even offered services for multiplayer games such as chess, backgammon and checkers.

    It appears that hobbyists have ressurected the service calling it Quantum Link Reloaded which can be accessed via an authentic Commodore using a WiFi serial connection.

    my uncle ordered plane tickets from qlink in the late 80s.

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  • From Knightbbs@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 8 01:59:01 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: MIKE POWELL to VLK-451 on Fri Apr 02 2021 11:54 am

    Damn 1994 :) I got my first modem at about that time and went on dailup internetz. Fondly remember using netscape and actually finding stuff via Yahoo.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Knightbbs on Thu Apr 8 07:14:00 2021
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    Knightbbs wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Damn 1994 :) I got my first modem at about that time and went on dailup internetz. Fondly remember using netscape and actually finding stuff
    via Yahoo.

    1994 for me was still Mosaic, NNTP, MUDs and telnetting into a shell account for mail. We had a leased-line at work and I was able to play around with TCP/IP, a cisco router, and a Sun 3/60 box providing network services.



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  • From Knightbbs@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 9 00:58:22 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Knightbbs on Thu Apr 08 2021 07:14 am

    Still pretty amazing that tech like this still exists and that there is a use for it. I'm starting to get the hang of messages and how they work and I have to say I love the fact it's not "instant". I remember what it used to be like when I had ICQ (and dail up). I would only get messages by the end of the day when i dailed up onto the net. That anticipation of that oh-ow sound when you got a message was cool. Back in those days notifications were a novely and not a nusence.

    I am looking for messageboards that are active around a variety of topics (except sports and politics, i'm based in Belgium so I don't know the first thing about baseball). I'm buiding up some experience and insight so I can do an episode on BBS in my podcast.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Knightbbs on Fri Apr 9 08:28:00 2021
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    Knightbbs wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Still pretty amazing that tech like this still exists and that there is
    a use for it. I'm starting to get the hang of messages and how they
    work and I have to say I love the fact it's not "instant".

    Well, not instant, but a far cry from the old days. Fido used to have a
    "zone mail hour" where BBSes were closed to user traffic and BBSes exchanged mail packets. You'd post your message, and that morning the message would be transferred to your local echomail hub. The following morning it'd get to a backbone system, then another day to get to someone's echomail hub, and another to get to the destination system. And vice versa.

    I am looking for messageboards that are active around a variety of
    topics (except sports and politics, i'm based in Belgium so I don't
    know the first thing about baseball). I'm buiding up some experience
    and insight so I can do an episode on BBS in my podcast.

    FSXnet is a new-ish message network, not many echomail areas. Most of the traffic is in FSX_GEN, a general board. Friendly users and an intention to keep it politics-free.




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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Apr 9 10:37:00 2021
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    1994 for me was still Mosaic, NNTP, MUDs and telnetting into a shell account for mail. We had a leased-line at work and I was able to play around with TCP/IP, a cisco router, and a Sun 3/60 box providing network services.

    I remember running a version of Mosaic that Quarterdeck put out, I think it
    was called Q-Mosaic, but I mostly used a shell account that I dialed into to access email and do any text-based web surfing. IIRC, the browser
    installed on the shell account was links or a predecessor. The email
    client was pine.

    Later, when the web became more graphical, I ran a more DOS friendly browser called Arachne (Q-Mosaic was no longer supported... it came out shortly
    before Quarterdeck got bought and pretty much shuttered).

    Started using linux around 2000 and did all my web browsing there
    afterwards.

    I miss the shell account.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 9 17:36:19 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Apr 09 2021 10:37 am

    I miss the shell account.

    Check out tilde.club, then - you'll feel right at home.

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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Knightbbs on Fri Apr 9 22:24:10 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: Knightbbs to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 09 2021 12:58 am

    Still pretty amazing that tech like this still exists and that there is a use for it. I'm starting to get the hang of messages and how they work and I have to say I love the fact it's not "instant". I remember what it used to be like when I had ICQ (and dail up). I would only get messages by the end of the day when i dailed up onto the net. That anticipation of that oh-ow sound when you got a message was cool. Back in those days notifications were a novely and not a nusence.

    Welcome to this wonderful world. Realize it is a very antiquated world but it remains fun and enjoyable after all these years. You're right about notifications... they were more enjoyable when they meant something while now days everything is an "alert".

    I am looking for messageboards that are active around a variety of topics (except sports and politics, i'm based in Belgium so I don't know the first thing about baseball). I'm buiding up some experience and insight so I can do an episode on BBS in my podcast.

    Look at FidoNet and some of the other message areas. Sadly, they are nowhere as active as they were thirty years ago but a lot of people do love to post and you'll get a good feedback loop.

    Enjoy!

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  • From Knightbbs@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dream Master on Sat Apr 10 00:34:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Gaia Online
    By: Dream Master to Knightbbs on Fri Apr 09 2021 10:24 pm

    Look at FidoNet and some of the other message areas. Sadly, they are nowhere as active as they were thirty years ago but a lot of people do love to post and you'll get a good feedback loop.

    Thanx ! :) I'll check those out. Starting to get into the whole messaging thing like a total noob but enjoying it nonetheless :). It's ok if the boards are buzzing to the brim with activity, it gives you the time to catch up on the discussions and get to know the people behind them. :) I'll check out some of the other boards too and see whats going on over there. Thanx !

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